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I have to say that your experience is pretty standard. It’s Apple’s policy to set yourself up not to fail which is why they overstate anticipated repair times and can always get the job done sooner.

Typically parts are delivered the next day via Fed-Ex unless Apple’s warehouse is on back order for that specific part. If that is the case then it could take a lot longer for the part to come in to the store. Techs outside Apple are also subject to these same delays and will never have a part available immediately as all warranty parts must be ordered from Apple using your Macs serial number.

The Genius you spoke with originally should have been able to keep your laptop until the part came in however. I expect that due to the store being relatively new they were experiencing higher demand on the repair services than would be typically so simply had no place to put the laptop. If they had taken your laptop and it had become damaged through being left in an unsafe place then if would have lead to more problems.

As an Apple technician I can tell you that the only real benefit to using independent techs to repair your laptop is that they would be more likely to have been able to guarantee a quicker turn around time as they wouldn’t have as many machines booked in at one time.

One thing I do have to say in closing though, if you’d told the Genius you absolutely needed access to the files they would have offered to transfer your data to another drive for you.

Unfortunately greater popularity means more people making use of a service you provide, especially when it comes to a new Apple Store.

I hope you have better luck next time with Apple or find an independent technician that can give you shorter wait times for a fix.

Mark Reid October 4, 2008 at 5:11 am

I agree with Mark above…

Unfortunately Apple does not allow storing Parts in large Quantities.

And if you have two Faults on your machine, you have to come in twice.

First they repair fault one then you have to give a few days before you can return that they can take care of fault two.

Because otherwise Apple Quality Control believes that the Technician has not done his Job properly.

Yep, both the Apple Store Genius & the Local Premium Reseller next door gave me the same answer.

Apple does this due to Fraud in the past.

But on the other hand, I have to say.
Apple can be very accommodating if a fault is persistent.

One of my Powerbooks had to be to repairs 5 times (3 times Motherboard 2 times 17″ LCD Panel) due to constant flickering pictures and dead pixels after a few months in use after each repair. Apple replaced my 2.5 year old Powerbook with an refurbished Entry Model MacBookPro.

So you bet that I have Apple Care for every Mobile Mac I have, because just alone the Cost for one LCD Replacement equals the Cost of an Apple Care Contract! Let me tell you that!!!

And as Mark said above, going to a Premium Reseller with attached Repair Center can save you some time on repairs.

Max Mertens October 4, 2008 at 5:47 am

Yeah here in México as well warranties have similar procedure; Authorized Service checks ur computer then … calls u and speak to you about the wrong things…. cost if applied. Then Order is placed and 2 – 3 part arrives plus 2 – 4 days of fixing the computer. The main difference is that the computer stays at the workshop. And you can fix multiple things at the same visit.

It is logic that Apple is having strong polices for this kind of stuff because then people can sell the spare parts of do wrong use of this. And as well all of the Apple Fans or most now about the Appointments have to be done… and as well u can do it yourself online.

adrian October 4, 2008 at 9:31 am

I sympathize with your frustration. The repair process is becoming too inflexible and frustrating in the same way that you mention.

I will say, however, that while the stores are often very busy, (1) I’ve never felt they were understaffed or had a hard time getting the attention of an employee, (2) most people already know about the appointment arrangement or they find out because they call Apple or the store in advance, and (3) the appointment idea makes sense considering the volume of visits that are made – you would be much more aggravated.

That said, I would strongly agree that the stores need to stock more parts and the repair time needs to be sped up. The length of time it took once the problem was diagnosed is unconscionable.

(By the way, Apple will give out “loaner” macs from time to time if your need for a computer is critical.)

Jeff October 4, 2008 at 9:57 am

I’m sorry about your experience. In the future, please ask the person who is helping you for their business card. Every employee has a beautiful business card with their name and position in the store written on it. You can use that to remember who helped you during your previous visit (such as when your appointment could not be found in the Concierge system). Also, if someone is helping make your appointment in the store, request that you type your e-mail into the system. You most likely did not get the e-mail confirmation because of a typo made by the Concierge. Also, printout confirmations of appointments ARE possible, but rarely made. Again, ask for the person’s business card and write the appointment time on the back of their card.

In regards to the Genius Bar…. usually, they can hold the computer to make a repair as soon as the repair part comes in to the store. Another post says that they probably didn’t have enough room for it, which is most likely the case.

Lastly, I highly recommend that you take your experience and e-mail it to the store. The store’s management team will take your situation seriously.

apple guy October 4, 2008 at 12:04 pm

Apple has also implemented a service called Quick Drop. This would have saved you 2 trips to the store.

The service allows you to drop off your computer without an appointment when the computer is not working, or an appointment is just not available soon. A genius will look at your computer asap, (24-48 hrs) call you and discuss the repair options, and then begin the repair process. This may not always be a huge time saver as far as getting the repair finished, but will save you from returning to the store for no reason.

I don’t know why you were not presented with this option, but I’m sure it would have made the process less upsetting.

Seth October 4, 2008 at 12:14 pm

This guy expects everything to be done immediately, and whines about having to wait their turn, as if no one else exists in the world. What a self-entitled douchebag.

JB October 4, 2008 at 1:32 pm

2 things in regards to Raymond’s laptop hard drive issue.
Always keep other avenues open when it comes to getting quick service. Apple stores are top notch, especially compared to your Windows Computer stores. But Resellers or stores that specialize in Apple products have stepped up their game as well to compete with Apple Stores.

Here is where I get harsh.

If your computer is playing a major part (tool for your trade), then have a 2nd for backup. A smart business has backup!

If you really feel that you would have a better experience in buying a cheap PC, go for it. :)

Mike October 4, 2008 at 1:47 pm

I think a lot of Mac users hold Apple at a ridiculously high bar. They whine and complain about Apple’s quality control when they’re hard drive fails (out of Apple’s control), or when they’re computer isn’t fixed the same day it has an issue. Apple still ranks in the top in terms of customer satisfaction, and they’re doing a good job of keeping up with their rising market share. Of course way back when Apple had a smaller marketshare it was much more efficient to get your computer serviced. You could get a Genius bar appointment in a matter of minutes, and your computer would be repaired in less than 48 hours. Right now Apple’s turnaround time is typically 2-14 business days, which is still relatively fast compared to some other Computer manufacturers. I’ve had Dell’s and HPs, and Gateways, and Acers out for service for months at a time. Also Apple offers a service called ProCare which expedites your turn around time. I’m surprised that wasn’t offered to you, since a stores performance is partly based on how many of these types of add-on services they can sell.

f1 October 4, 2008 at 5:17 pm

Almost same experience, same store.

My work Imac HD was acting funny for the past couple of weeks (node structure problem). After having try all I can, i set up a rendez-vous to the store.

RV #1 All OK on time except they didn’t had the part. Have to bring back the iMAc with me

RV#2 1 weeks they had the new HD for me

RV#3 1 week again repair is done, except that when I arrive they didn’t repair the HD but said that they perform an erase and install (that I had already tied 3 times). So after explanation the manager agreed to make a “fast repair” for me.

Rv #4 will be tomorrow. Hope all is well

So 4 trip downtown for one repair. I can,t undestand why they don’t have on site or external to the site a repair shop with spare parts. They now have 2 store in Monteal area. They shoud be able to do so.

I was expecting more from them something like,Drop it take it back within days….

Michel C October 4, 2008 at 8:10 pm

-Apple stores do not keep all service parts in stock, they use a “Just in time” model where parts are ordered from centralized warehouses as they’re needed. As you might expect, back-office space in a high-rent shopping mall is at a premium, so there is no way to store thousands of parts there for any period of time.

-With rising demand and increasing market share comes a solid increase on repair turnaround times and general interest in the technical support dept. Apple does their best to keep up with this, but in some markets it’s almost impossible.

-Know that BestBuy will quote you 2 weeks for just about any issue, where Apple quotes longer and tries to get it done in a shorter period so as to not disappoint. Unlike service options that will lie about turnaround, Apple overestimates repair times to save you frustration and set the best possible expectations.

-You’re not the only customer with an issue, obviously. For every MacBook that doesn’t turn on being checked in or triaged at the bar, you can be sure there’s at least 2-3 more already in the repair room or on the bench itself. Average-sized Apple store might have 1 or 2 Genii in repair per day, with the biggest flagships maxing out around 6-7.

-That genius was wrong for sending you home with a non-functioning machine, typically even if space is at a serious premium, non-functioning machines will be checked in as they serve no use outside the repair lab.

-Service parts occasionally do get back-ordered. Supply-demand vs. how many are made. There’s a specific amount of MacBook Pros out there, and while they look the same on the outside, there are half a dozen different logic boards that fit the same shell… keeping all these in ample stock is a mission in itself.

-You catch more flies with sugar than vinegar. Be on the best behavior with the Genius, they’re the ones who will go to bat for you with a manager following policy and the store’s bottom line… or the ones who won’t like the attitude and stick hard to strict policy. The nicer someone is to their genius, the easier their Apple experience will be- that’s guaranteed.

Dave October 4, 2008 at 10:13 pm

So far, everyone’s been dead on, well except for maybe JB. I went in with my dad when my Cube was having issues, and this is early on in the retail experience for Apple, and my dad put up the biggest hissy-fit, and got nowhere. I had an issue just last winter where the battery in my MBP was expanding, so I took it to my flagship without an appointment. One of the employees took me straight to the bar, the Genius immediately checked for a replacement 17″ MBP battery, but they were out. They ordered one and told me they’d call when it was in. A week went by, and nothing, and at this point, I can’t use my laptop as a LAPtop. End of the week came, and I called AppleCare. The lady on the phone personally called the store’s manager, then told me to go there now for my replacement. After meeting with the manager, that “replacement” ended up being a brand new retail battery which the manager just opened the box, gave me the battery, and I gave him the old one. Done. Nothing to sign, papers to fill out, or appointments to make. Last example, my Dad’s iMac’s Logic Board went out on a friday night, and this is his work machine. Took it and his ProCare to the store, and while they didn’t have the board, one of the other 6 stores we have in the state did, so he was given the option of either taking his computer there or them mailing the part over, he took his iMac there. Long story short, by mid-sunday, he was back in business and because of AppleCare, it didn’t cost him a thing.

Be patient, but also ask questions and talk with people. It’s no-one’s goal at Apple to screw you, they want to get everyone in and out ASAP. I have no doubt that as more stores open up in Montreal, each store will get less busy and there will be more parts amongst all the stores, both of which will cut repair times by a fair amount. Sorry you had such a bad experience, but for every bad one I read, there’s at least 10 exemplary ones that are never written about.

-Brian

Brian Kaempen October 5, 2008 at 8:53 am

It sounds like the usual “I want it now attitude” which is becoming more and more the way people behave at the moment. Personal responsibility seems to have gone out of the window and an entitlement mentality replaced it.

Ian October 5, 2008 at 10:31 am

As a former Mac Genius at an extremely busy and incredibly small store, let me explain how we have to deal with the repair process:

Firstly, I’m very sorry that you felt you had a bad experience at your store. I can say that if your store was anything like mine, then the Concierge you talked to was probably hired the week before and had had next to no training. Same with many of the Specialists you spoke to – especially if they looked like college students.

Second – appointments can be made online and Geniuses strongly encourage you to make appointments yourself. You can find your store here: http://www.apple.com/retail/storelist/

Third – yes, printouts of Concierge appointments are generally not encouraged but that is because the Concierge may be checking you in through the “back of house” system. Although they should not be, the Concierge should be showing you how to make your own appointment AS they set one up for you. Alas, not an ideal process but MUCH better than the “no appointment” system that we used to have several years ago.

Every time the Geniuses have to take an “emergency” appointment, or tend to a Quick Drop, or help a manager with an unhappy customer, bear in mind that it pushes EVERYONE in the queue back. Often the Genius that has to deal with these issues is the Genius that is _supposed_ to be doing repairs. Apple wants Geniuses to get 8 repairs a day done – more than 1 per hour. This is near impossible with the number of interruptions we have during the day. (I once calculated how much time I lost during my repair day due to interruptions ie: questions, customer issues, phone calls, etc – over an hour of repair time was lost.)

The Geniuses have a difficult role. We are supposed to remain empathic to the customer, while being yelled at and blamed for the failure of the customer’s computer. We are supposed to follow policy while remaining compassionate to customer demands that the repair needs to be done “RIGHT NOW”. We have to deal with people who already “know” what needs to be fixed, with those customer that can tell us nothing about the problem they are having, with those customers that send someone ELSE in with their computer, and with those that have damaged their computer and refuse to admit it (as accidental damage is not covered under warranty.)

Our store was so small, and so crowded that we too did not have a safe place to store computers that were awaiting repair. So if a customer needed a repair and we did not have an available part for them, we would always encourage the customer to keep the computer until the part arrived. Most customers were happy with that option as, unlike the poster, their units were mostly functional except for something small or cosmetic.

We also asked the customer to book a return appointment to drop their computer off for repair. The reasons were sound – we wanted a Genius to touch the computer and flip everything in the system properly, verify the customer’s contact details, answer any last minute questions and in some cases – get the repair done while they wait or within the hour, if it was an easy repair or if we had a “floater” genius available to take those quick repairs.

As for stock – we were lucky to have a remote stockroom in our mall, but we didn’t have any space in there to store parts. We didn’t have any space in our back of house to store parts! Parts were tucked on shelves, above product, in cages, anywhere we could fit them. Rearranging parts was a constant endeavor. Our store saw a 1000% increase in repair demand over the 4 years we were there, with NO increase in space. Our turn around times for repairs were at least a week – for no other reason than we lacked the space to get them done. Trust me, the Geniuses are MORE frustrated than the customer most days.

Our store generally did not ask the customer to make appointments for picking up the computer – unless money was owing. The reason being is that only a Genius or a Manager can ring up an out of warranty repair and that was the easiest way to do it. If a customer had more questions to be addressed after the repair then we encouraged them to make a pick-up appointment.

Now to address the poster’s desire to find an Authorized Technician instead of a Genius to do a repair. Parts are allocated from the central warehouses in this order of priority: 1) Customer installable parts 2) retail stores 3) Authorized Service Providers. It may actually take LONGER for a non-Apple Store tech to get a part.

Geniuses have to juggle many balls – checking in inventory, allocating inventory, DOA parts, emergencies and customer service issues – yet every Genius I have ever known will ALWAYS side with the customer as long as the customer is reasonable, polite and civil to them. I have replaced computers with new units if I felt a customer was going to be waiting too long for a repair, or if too many repairs have been done and the customer has been waiting an excessive amount of time.

I hated that I could not provide my customers with the level of service they wanted – because I KNEW I could do it, if only I was provided with the resources! I left Apple to take a job that WOULD give me the resources I needed to provide them with top-notch support.

Lastly – a bit of advice for everyone: Pro Care is great for a business customer because your repairs is expedited to the best of our ability. We are at the mercy of corporate as to when we get parts, how many we get, and how quickly we get them. Backups are critical for EVERYONE. Make sure you have a current backup BEFORE you visit the Bar as your data is not guaranteed no matter WHAT the service is. We CAN address multiple issues during one repair, but it make take a little longer than normal to get the repair done while we wait for parts. If the computer is accidentally damaged, tell the Genius the truth. It is more likely we will cut you a break if you tell us the truth. Remember that Geniuses get yelled at every fifteen minutes for eight hours a day, and think about how you would feel if you did that for 40 hours a week – we still smile and treat customers kindly, could you do that?

If you are happy with our service, and want to thank us – please bear in mind we cannot accept tips, nor do we work on commission. But better than either of those are love letters – love letters and love emails are the best things a Genius can get. Just address them to our store manager or better yet – sjobs@apple.com

Hang in there with us! Remember, we will do everything in our power to help you if you let us!

a Nonny Mouse

a Nonny Mouse October 5, 2008 at 10:36 am

Nonny Mouse is absolutely dead on. I have a dear friend who is currently an MG. It’s not an easy job, every single day a Genius is seeing the customer who is unhappy something broke on their once-perfect Mac or iPod/Phone. Many times the customer doesn’t understand their own issue, or they don’t understand how an Apple Store works, or they have a misconception about a feature, or they’re simply frustrated, annoyed, etc.

Yet day after day the Genius stands ready with a smile and more importantly at least “some solution” for every issue, even if sometimes the answer is no. The hours are long (forget getting weekends off, and expect some 6AM-3PM shifts back-to-back with 1PM-10PM shifts), and the customers are non-stop at the more popular stores. On the plus side, every Apple employee I’ve spoken to loves their team, there’s a genuine sense of pride in the company- remarkable in these dire economic times.

Most people, and I’d include myself here, couldn’t be a Genius. The level of technical knowledge isn’t quite on a level of a Computer Science PhD candidate @ MIT or anything like that, but it’s a LOT when you think about all the Macs, the OS, iPods, iPhones, AppleTV, store/company policy etc. This knowledge needs to be accessed quickly, confidently and naturally right when the customer is in front of you. In addition to that, it’s ultimately retail. The pay isn’t minimum wage, but it’s not what one would expect it to be, and generally those techs that staff the bar are there more because of their love for Apple than the money, because the job without the brand name could easily warrant twice the hourly rate.

The customers who leave happiest are those who are friendly and willing to troubleshoot their issue alongside their genius. Those customers who toss their machine on the bar and yell “it broke and it’s your problem.” typically don’t learn anything while they’re visiting and get annoyed when they hear it might be 5 days for their logic board to get installed. Those customers who have a toddler who smashed their Mac’s screen to bits should say so outright, Genii aren’t stupid, they see it all day, they *know* accidental damage.

Dave October 5, 2008 at 9:29 pm

Should of bought ProCare if a quick appointment and priority repair was important to you.

Having worked at an Apple store, they are very busy. The geniuses do an amazing job to handle time at the bar and repairing out the back

Michael October 6, 2008 at 3:47 am

This comment is in response to the comment posted by Max Mertens. Max is incorrect in suggesting that Apple does not allow a service provider to correct more than one issue at a time, In fact, it’s just he opposite. Apple requires providers to correct all covered issues prior to delivering the product back to the customer.

I encourage anyone who has been told by a provider that they could only address one issue at a time to report the incident to Apple. Apple will take action to correct the behavior.

I know, I have and it worked!

Greg October 6, 2008 at 4:43 am

Thank you DAVE for your kind words – Geniuses often do not get kind words from anyone, and it is very much appreciated.

I also wanted to address the “loaner” suggestion JEFF brought up. Apple Stores do NOT give out loaners under ANY circumstances. We used to – several years ago – but the practice was quickly stopped due to legal and privacy issues.

Also JEFF mentioned calling the store to make an appointment. That is strongly discouraged and you will more than likely be asked to make your appointment online. If you absolutely cannot – because you computer is not turning on, or you are elderly or incapacitated, naturally we will accommodate you. But the customer is ALWAYS encouraged to make their own appointments.

Please note that I use the word “encourage”. I have NEVER told a customer what to do – not even when directly asked. I always present them with all their options, explain them and answer any questions, then let the customer decide.

If the customer had a non-functional computer and wanted to leave it with us, despite my discouragement, OF COURSE I would take it in, wrap it in bubble wrap, and put it on a shelf clearly labeled. I would explain to the customer WHY I discouraged the practice as we had so little space – but if they insisted, yes of course I would happily take the unit and keep it until the parts came in.

One thing I cannot stress enough is the need for regular backups. Regular backups will save you infinite amounts of stress and FAR outstrip the cost of data recovery. Think of the blissful sleep you will have knowing that no matter what happens to your computer – your data is intact! It’s a good feeling.

For our business customers, besides backup, REDUNDANCY is key. Redundant backups and a SPARE COMPUTER. It doesn’t have to be anything fancy, it doesn’t have to be anything expensive. It just has to run what you need it to run in case something happens to your main computer (it gets stolen or needs repair).

I could write a novel on my experience as a Mac Genius (I pretty much have huh! LOL) filled with ideas on how customer AND staff can make the store a better experience for everyone.

The main thing to remember is this: We understand that the computer plays a huge role in your life. But it is still just a computer. In the greater scheme of things, it is only a small thing, that we CAN live without if we have to. If the only thing wrong in our life is a broken computer – how LUCKY we are!!!!

Please be kind to your technicians. They want to help you. I still miss my team and was heartbroken to leave them but for my own career I knew I had to take this opportunity. As you can all see I am still very invested in my store, my team and this company, and still very passionate about the exceptional customer service we strive to give to every individual that crosses our store’s threshold.

Thanks for hearing me out!

a Nonny Mouse October 6, 2008 at 6:42 am

Only briefly mentioned in an earlier post was the ability to avoid the AppleStore altogether.

For every Apple Store, there are many other Service Authorized Apple resellers, wherever you are. On the Apple web site Reseller locator, you can search for them specifically.

One post did mention, that when you walk in, you will speak with a tech almost immediately, and while your repair may require the 2-3 day part wait, the repair will happen much, much sooner.

AppleStore is not the be all, end all for sales or service. Local Apple resellers are more often than not more experienced, as well trained, and more than willing to help.

BackStage Paul

BackStage Paul October 6, 2008 at 6:52 am

So, A.) This gentleman can walk into an automobile repair shop and get his car looked at IMMEDIATELY over EVERY other car that is currently in the shop and then B.) When the repairperson looks at his car over ALL THE OTHER CARS IN THE SHOP, *whatever* part it needs is IMMEDIATELY in stock at the garage. Let me tell you a few things, this is NOT realistic in ANY way and it’s MORONIC to believe that you can walk into anywhere and get serviced immediately over every other person in that place AND all the parts would always be in stock for you no matter what. Try walking into the Dell store and getting your computer fixed while you wait–oh, that’s right–there are no Dell retail stores who can also do repairs…Dude, get real–it’s as good as it can be with the influx of new Mac users out there–more Mac users = more repairs to get through. You could have also sent your machine in for service via Applecare–they will send a box right to your door and have the machine back in 3-5 days without a visit to this “horrible environment” you talk about.

John Franken October 6, 2008 at 8:47 am

Backstage Paul is correct – if you can find an Authorized Service Provider in your area please try them. However in my experience, I have found some providers to replace Apple OEM parts with 3rd party parts, voiding the warranty or at least not having warranty for the replacement part, and often I would get a computer at the Bar that was serviced by one of these non-apple store techs in terrible condition, warranting a far more extensive repair than was initially required!

Also – tech support at the Genius Bar is FREE. Often an authorized service provider will charge you for your initial consultation. Check Geek Squad out. You will see what I mean.

John Franken is also correct in that you may also request a depot box from AppleCare 1800-APL-CARE just make sure you have a current backup of your data! The Genius could have also offered you a depot repair, if time was of the essence.

Several notes for depot repairs:

1) Have a current backup. If you do NOT have a current backup and you need your data backed up prior to the repair the Geniuses will do that for you FOR A FEE. $50 for the data transfer, additional labor if they have to remove the hdd from the unit in order to back it up.

2) DO NOT request the Geniuses back up a failing hard drive. It’s a waste of their time and your money. If your hdd is failing, take the unit to a professional data recovery service PRIOR to the repair. (DriveSavers, OnTrack, etc) The Genius can give you a list of people to call. You will have to pay for the service, but everything is negotiable and some providers will give you a discount if you say Apple referred you. For example if you only need your pictures, then negotiate a fee for just your pictures. The depot may erase all your data as part of their triage/repair, and if they do they WON’T call you.

3) If you call AppleCare they will send you a box, you pack your laptop up and ship it out (DHL) and then it’s returned to your place of residence.

4) If a Genius ships out the unit you need to TELL THEM AT THE BAR if you want it sent to your place of residence. Someone must sign for it. Do not tell them at the end when you signing your paperwork that you want it shipped back to you – because they have to do ALL the paperwork over again. Most people want it shipped back to the store because they know a Genius or Genius Admin will check it over when it is returned.

Hope this helps!

a Nonny Mouse October 6, 2008 at 11:00 am

“I think a lot of Mac users hold Apple at a ridiculously high bar. They whine and complain about Apple’s quality control when they’re hard drive fails (out of Apple’s control)”

I completely disagree. My son-in-law is a Mac tech in a corporate environment and while he loves Macs and won’t work on PCs, he tells me that Mac quality control has gone down the drain. I have an old MacTower (450MHz) that still runs great and has NEVER given me any trouble, but he thinks that was the last high-quality Mac made. He has gotten numerous machines DOA, sometimes with sequential serial numbers. This implies that there are severe manufacturing problems.

Apple decides what hard drive to include. If the hard drive fails, it most certainly is Apple’s responsibility and it is within their control. If your TV set fails with a part that Sony doesn’t make themselves, do you say, “well it’s not Sony’s fault because they didn’t make the part”?

The problem with Apple is as they’ve moved to more standard industry parts and tried to lower prices, they’re essentially purchasing the same crappy parts that are in your typical PC. That’s not a way to get people to switch from PCs to Macs.

Now having said that, Apple has been terrific in terms of fixing my relative’s machines. My daughter’s baby broke the hinges on her laptop by pushing the screen back. Apple told her it would be too expensive to fix. The machine worked as long as you put something behind it to hold the screen up. But eventually, the video card wasn’t connecting properly. She brought it in to just have the video card fixed. They replaced the whole screen at no charge.

My son-in-law bought a tower in which the power supply kept failing. After the third time, Apple replaced the entire machine, which by then, was an upgraded model.

But as the failure rate goes up, I think Apple is less inclined to do that. If I were Jobs, instead of concentrating on the “next great thing”, I’d be getting actively involved on getting Apple’s quality control back up or Apple will soon lose it’s reputation for “it just works”.

Hardware quality and customer service is not the only issue. There have been tremendous problems with the iPhone (even if at least partically caused by AT&T) and with the launch of “Me” or whatever that online service is called.

I love Apple and have used their computers almost since the beginning of Apple, but there is a certain arrogance that has always plagued the company. Especially in a tough economy, Apple has to lose that arrogance. Hipness and aesthetics only go so far. They can lose market share as fast as they gained it.

ZoetMB October 6, 2008 at 3:06 pm

Just because you know somebody that had a failed hard drive does not mean that product quality has gone downhill. You would have to know everyone who owns a Mac and then count the failures to come up with a true failure rate. I have it from good sources that the overall product quality across their entire computer line is the highest it has been in 15 years. Yeah, maybe there is occasionally a bad batch of some kind of part, but, as a whole, the products fail less often that in years past, and much less often when compared to other brands.

Yeah, some people are unlucky and have several failures or one system that is not diagnosed and repaired properly and keeps coming back with issues. But, more often, some people have external caused failures like software issues or external power problems such as a lightning strike causing multiple systems to fail, both issues not covered under warranty.

Greg October 6, 2008 at 6:13 pm

So my wife’s MacBook was having the cursor jump and the click button would catch or miss. We took it into the Genius Bar at the Ala Moana Apple store. It was out of warranty. MacBook top cases have had discoloration problems. So even though the problem was different than the complaint, the part was replaced for free. The time from when we walked into the very busy store until the time we were finished with the repaired MacBook was just over one hour.

Any time that you deal with parts of cutting-edge technology, not common Xerox machines, over-scheduled technicians and busy diagnostic people, things can go wrong. This experience was about as perfect as it could be. Not only was the service free, fast and excellent, the experience was kind, friendly and personable.

I defy anyone to find a better experience any where in the electronics industry.

Mark Wilson October 9, 2008 at 10:25 pm

My best advice is to give clear signals to the people you interact with.

If an immediate appointment isn’t available, ask why. Let them know politely that this repair is very important to you. Let them know you’ll wait patiently – up to an hour or more if it means your tool that you need to do your work gets fixed faster.

Offer to leave the machine in the store’s care so that there is no delay once the parts arrive -even if the part takes days to order, the mac will be sitting there – waiting for the parts. Worst case – they have your mac so when you arrive it’s obvious you were there before and had made an appointment for a return visit.

Be nice, listen, ask questions – and pick one thing that is most important. If you want a fast repair – don’t cloud the issue by taking the broken machine out of the store, by not having a back up of your data, by being in rush confusing a policy or a “standard answer” with a specific need.

You have control over being flexible to get that crucial 10 minutes of time with an actual repair technician so that you have an accurate diagnosis, parts get ordered and notes on what is to be done can be taken.

As you noted, the store was busy – and when things get busy, you can bring an accommodating mood and slow down the rush so you can get the best result possible. Trust your instincts – if you want a print out and don’t get one, ask if you can sign up yourself, or get a phone number and call in if your appointment confirmation email doesn’t arrive. Unfortunately, this is a great example of lots of missed communications – one has to wonder if 3 or 4 separate employees somehow aren’t capable of listening to customers or if one customer had problems communicating a clear need.

Mike October 16, 2008 at 9:17 am

out of personal experience as a customer on the genius bar in the biggest store worldwide, i can tell you that that the experience you have had is gladly not the normal procedure.

when my mac broke down, i was able to get a standby appointment (because i came quite early in the morning and not during their rush hour) and a genius helped me immediately.

for my machine they had to order the part too (super drive) so i took the machine home but they dont have this re-appointment issue in regent street. you bring it in and give it to one of the (mostly) helpful concierges or a genius (whoever is available). same with getting it back, you just approach one of the concierges with your documentation and a passport and you get your machine back.

wonder why its so much different in a comparable smaller store…

controol October 17, 2008 at 7:56 am

The problem with mostl stores is that usually they are just too small. I go to a store at a place called Legacy Village near Cleveland, OH, and that place is ALWAYS packed. My dad had to go there for a repair and he didn’t make an appointment, so he was pretty angry when they told him he had to. That makes perfect sense though. A packed store is going to have a lot of people wanting repairs. But again the issue is the size of the store. It is the most popular destination in the Legacy Village retail complex, yet the only place with a smaller building is the little ice cream shop next door.

For repairs, its best to find an Apple Certified Specialist. But if they have to send it to Apple for further repairs/examination, then make sure your computer specs haven’t changed when you get it back. I found out about a month after my repair that Apple had removed my 1GB ram upgrade, just by chance, so when I called both Apple and the “specialist,” each side just blamed the other. I guess I should have “checked sooner” that every single part was still there.

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ForkBombr » Blog Archive » Let the Bitching Commence October 24, 2008 at 4:05 pm

I am also very very annoyed with how Apple handles replacements of parts under warranty. For example the cord on my MagSafe Adapter has frayed. A very common problem but one I thought could be easily fixed by a simple swap. Ooooh noooo. I MUST make an appointment at the genius bar. The closest one to me is in the middle of the city and is constantly booked out. I can’t book anything on the website so I can’t even imagine what time I could come in for a replacement. I don’t know why they don’t keep someone free on the genius bar for people with simple walk in problems. Or why simple obvious part replacements can’t be done by someone else. I have AppleCare but if the cord on my adapter meant it no longer supplied power to my laptop, they would not be able to fix it and I would be stuck without it for days! When I brought the adapter into the shop assuming it would be a quick thing, the next appointment was for 3 days later, on a work day! Ridiculous. AND, I do not want to have my name displayed on their massive screens for all to see (where they display a list of names for genius bar appointments). I’m definitely going somewhere else.

mfcm October 27, 2008 at 5:09 pm
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